BANG AVERAGE CHAT THAT YOU won’t want to END.

20 years a Ref! Great chatting with someone on the other side of the whistle, and to get their views on rugby today, law interpretations, but in an engaging way. RWC07, Tri Nations, 6 Nations, the 7s Series, Celtic League and Heineken Cup – There isn’t much Hugh hasn’t seen on the pitch!

I knew my Aunty had been through some stuff. I never understood the duration/complexities or severity of her conditions, nor how common they were amongst women. This was tough for me. I heard things I hadn’t heard before, and it hits closer to home when it’s family

What hasn’t this guy seen or done? Played with and against the best players the world had to offer. Won it all as a team and individually. One of the best Rugby League players England have produced, who did it his way.

We met by chance at a wedding a few weeks ago, and it amazed me, not only how good he was, but his journey. We spoke then, and in more detail on the pod, about growing up with ADHD, Asperger’s and Autism, in a different country, and how finding magic saved his life, quite literally.